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	<title>Comments on: Denial of MEP votes makes global Irish lesser EU citizens</title>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a general election has today been called in Ireland by the government which has forced so many of its own citizens to leave the country to work and live elsewhere in order to be able to survive, it strikes me as the ultimate slap in the face to these people that have been forced to emigrate that they will now not even have the right to vote that government out.  That government has affected their lives and futures and it is just wrong that they no longer have a voice when it comes to deciding who will steer Ireland through the uncertain future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a general election has today been called in Ireland by the government which has forced so many of its own citizens to leave the country to work and live elsewhere in order to be able to survive, it strikes me as the ultimate slap in the face to these people that have been forced to emigrate that they will now not even have the right to vote that government out.  That government has affected their lives and futures and it is just wrong that they no longer have a voice when it comes to deciding who will steer Ireland through the uncertain future.</p>
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		<title>By: Noreen Bowden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noreen Bowden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Mark - apologies I&#039;m only answering you now. I certainly agree with you that people should be able to vote where they live, but that is a separate issue. And as you point out, there is a valid path for you to vote in the country in which you&#039;re now living - you could take up citizenship there.

Of course if you feel that the Irish government makes no decisions that affect your life, you&#039;d be free not to vote in Irish elections, whether or not other Irish citizens living abroad have that right. There are some people living abroad, however, who do feel that decisions made in Ireland are affecting their lives. Some Irish people would like to return home, and feel they cannot do so because of the economy or circumstances around social welfare (like the habitual residency condition). Others are paying the tax on non-primary residences because they have inherited the family home, so they are being taxed without being entitled to representation. Others are entitled to Irish pensions and are thus affected by social welfare policies.  

With almost every developed nation allowing its emigrants to vote, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s reasonable to say there&#039;s little logical reason for it. Many people regard voting as the most basic right of citizenship - why should you lose it just because you are exercising your right to work abroad in the EU, for example, or because you are forced to go abroad to seek work and intend to return home? Plus there&#039;s the fact that the government is working very hard to engage economically with our emigrants - how much more can we continue to ask of them without giving them the most basic voice in policy determination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Mark &#8211; apologies I&#8217;m only answering you now. I certainly agree with you that people should be able to vote where they live, but that is a separate issue. And as you point out, there is a valid path for you to vote in the country in which you&#8217;re now living &#8211; you could take up citizenship there.</p>
<p>Of course if you feel that the Irish government makes no decisions that affect your life, you&#8217;d be free not to vote in Irish elections, whether or not other Irish citizens living abroad have that right. There are some people living abroad, however, who do feel that decisions made in Ireland are affecting their lives. Some Irish people would like to return home, and feel they cannot do so because of the economy or circumstances around social welfare (like the habitual residency condition). Others are paying the tax on non-primary residences because they have inherited the family home, so they are being taxed without being entitled to representation. Others are entitled to Irish pensions and are thus affected by social welfare policies.  </p>
<p>With almost every developed nation allowing its emigrants to vote, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s reasonable to say there&#8217;s little logical reason for it. Many people regard voting as the most basic right of citizenship &#8211; why should you lose it just because you are exercising your right to work abroad in the EU, for example, or because you are forced to go abroad to seek work and intend to return home? Plus there&#8217;s the fact that the government is working very hard to engage economically with our emigrants &#8211; how much more can we continue to ask of them without giving them the most basic voice in policy determination?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Smyth</title>
		<link>http://www.globalirish.ie/2010/irish-expats-are-disadvantaged-in-eu-representation/comment-page-1/#comment-4186</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Smyth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 14:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never understand why people have an expectation that Irish citizens living abroad should be able to vote. While it is true that many other nations do allow it, there is little logical reason for it. It would be much more justifiable to campaign for Irish citizens living abroad to be able to vote for MPs in their country of residence (as indeed they can do in the EU for MEP elections).  People should be able to vote in the country where they live and pay their taxes (or benefit from social welfare, or whatever).  I am Irish living abroad and cannot vote locally unless I take citizenship. I can see no reason why I should vote for an Irish MP since the Irish goverment make no decisions that impact my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never understand why people have an expectation that Irish citizens living abroad should be able to vote. While it is true that many other nations do allow it, there is little logical reason for it. It would be much more justifiable to campaign for Irish citizens living abroad to be able to vote for MPs in their country of residence (as indeed they can do in the EU for MEP elections).  People should be able to vote in the country where they live and pay their taxes (or benefit from social welfare, or whatever).  I am Irish living abroad and cannot vote locally unless I take citizenship. I can see no reason why I should vote for an Irish MP since the Irish goverment make no decisions that impact my life.</p>
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